Had the chance to make a photo of Oudie and Dell Streak 5" in direct
sunlight:

http://max.kellermann.name/download/xcsoar/screenshots/oudie_vs_streak.jpg

On Jul 4, 12:01*pm, Max Kellermann > wrote:
> Had the chance to make a photo of Oudie and Dell Streak 5" in direct
> sunlight:
>
> *http://max.kellermann.name/download/xcsoar/screenshots/oudie_vs_strea....

Thanks I've been looking at the Oudie too, have not purchased yet.
Interesting from a side view, what about head on direct? It looked
like a plastic overlay on the Oudie, or standard view from the side of
old tv LCD screens.
The Dell is shiny glass, I have problems with that (reflections) and
direct sunlight on the iPad.

How do they both fare with sunglasses or polarized lenses?

T

On 7/4/2011 12:01 PM, Max Kellermann wrote:
> Had the chance to make a photo of Oudie and Dell Streak 5" in direct
> sunlight:
>
> http://max.kellermann.name/download/xcsoar/screenshots/oudie_vs_streak.jpg

The viewing angle and reflections on the two units are so different, it
seems to be a poor comparison.

I suggest you ensure they are right beside one another, with the screen
surfaces in the same viewing plane, then get the camera at least 3 feet
back, ensure they are reflecting the same background (and not your
reflection on just one of them), zoom in with the lens, and then click away.

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Eric Greenwell > wrote:
> The viewing angle and reflections on the two units are so different, it
> seems to be a poor comparison.
>
> I suggest you ensure they are right beside one another, with the screen
> surfaces in the same viewing plane, then get the camera at least 3 feet
> back, ensure they are reflecting the same background (and not your
> reflection on just one of them), zoom in with the lens, and then click away.

Huh? They already are right beside one another, and they are in the
very same viewing angle. The reflected objects are similar enough
(the owner's head, and my hand, both illuminated by the sun; bright
sky on both). The HTC Magic that took the photo cannot zoom, sorry,
but that's about the only detail that doesn't match your description.

T > wrote:
> The Dell is shiny glass, I have problems with that (reflections) and
> direct sunlight on the iPad.

Not if your eye focuses on the display rather than the reflection
(which the human eye does extremely well, unlike a digital camera). I
tried an anti-glare foil once, but decided it's better without.

> How do they both fare with sunglasses or polarized lenses?

I don't have polarized sunglasses, but my cheap ones do very well with
the Streak. Cannot see a thing on the Oudie, with or without glasses.

On Jul 4, 2:34*pm, Max Kellermann > wrote:
> Eric Greenwell > wrote:
> > The viewing angle and reflections on the two units are so different, it
> > seems to be a poor comparison.
>
> > I suggest you ensure they are right beside one another, with the screen
> > surfaces in the same viewing plane, then get the camera at least 3 feet
> > back, ensure they are reflecting the same background (and not your
> > reflection on just one of them), zoom in with the lens, and then click away.
>
> Huh? *They already are right beside one another, and they are in the
> very same viewing angle. *The reflected objects are similar enough
> (the owner's head, and my hand, both illuminated by the sun; bright
> sky on both). *The HTC Magic that took the photo cannot zoom, sorry,
> but that's about the only detail that doesn't match your description.

Max

Nope sorry, the screens are not at the same viewing angle relative to
the (close) camera viewpoint. The angle on the Oudie screen is more
obtuse. You need to move the camera back to reduce this effect and/or
ideally use a camera with a longer focal length lens or take two
separate photos at the same relative angle on both screens to make a
fairer comparison. Your claims on relative ease of viewing may well be
true, but the viewing angle differences on the photos just do not
allow a fair comparison to be made.

Darryl

On Jul 4, 1:56*pm, T > wrote:
> On Jul 4, 12:01*pm, Max Kellermann > wrote:
>
> > Had the chance to make a photo of Oudie and Dell Streak 5" in direct
> > sunlight:
>
> > *http://max.kellermann.name/download/xcsoar/screenshots/oudie_vs_strea...
>
> Thanks I've been looking at the Oudie too, have not purchased yet.
> Interesting from a side view, what about head on direct? It looked
> like a plastic overlay on the Oudie, or standard view from the side of
> old tv LCD screens.
> The Dell is shiny glass, I have problems with that (reflections) and
> direct sunlight on the iPad.
>
> How do they both fare with sunglasses or polarized lenses?
>
> T

T,

Can not compare the Streak to the Oudie, but...

I have a Streak and it is quite good with polarized lenses when used
in portrait mode. In landscape mode the screen is not very visable.

The reflection issue with the Gorilla Glass on the Streak is really
not much of a problem or issue, as the Streak is fairly bright. A
slight angle change removes any reflection problem.

Another nice feature of the Streak is that it can be used for 5-6
hours without an external battery. Using XCSoar on the Streak is a
very good 'Tactical Soaring' program/device solution. And, if you
connect a Nano via Bluetooth, you have an excellent combination for
badges, contests and records, for a very reasonable price.

Good luck,

Mike

Mike

On Jul 4, 8:51*pm, Mike > wrote:
> On Jul 4, 1:56*pm, T > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 4, 12:01*pm, Max Kellermann > wrote:
>
> > > Had the chance to make a photo of Oudie and Dell Streak 5" in direct
> > > sunlight:
>
> > > *http://max.kellermann.name/download/xcsoar/screenshots/oudie_vs_strea...
>
> > Thanks I've been looking at the Oudie too, have not purchased yet.
> > Interesting from a side view, what about head on direct? It looked
> > like a plastic overlay on the Oudie, or standard view from the side of
> > old tv LCD screens.
> > The Dell is shiny glass, I have problems with that (reflections) and
> > direct sunlight on the iPad.
>
> > How do they both fare with sunglasses or polarized lenses?
>
> > T
>
> T,
>
> Can not compare the Streak to the Oudie, but...
>
> I have a Streak and it is quite good with polarized lenses when used
> in portrait mode. In landscape mode the screen is not very visable.
>
> The reflection issue with the Gorilla Glass on the Streak is really
> not much of a problem or issue, as the Streak is fairly bright. *A
> slight angle change removes any reflection problem.
>
> Another nice feature of the Streak is that it can be used for 5-6
> hours without an external battery. Using XCSoar on the Streak is a
> very good 'Tactical Soaring' program/device solution. And, if you
> connect a Nano via Bluetooth, you have an excellent combination for
> badges, contests and records, for a very reasonable price.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Mike
>
> Mike

How do you get a secure igc out of the XcSoar?

> How do you get a secure igc out of the XcSoar?

probably the same way you do out of the Oudie, i.e. you don't.

I haven't had an issue with sunlight readability on my Oudie this
season on several flights. I have non-polarized Ray Ban sunglasses
and fairly young eyes as far as glider pilots go.

On Jul 5, 9:50*am, Fred Blair > wrote:
> On Jul 4, 8:51*pm, Mike > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 4, 1:56*pm, T > wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 4, 12:01*pm, Max Kellermann > wrote:
>
> > > > Had the chance to make a photo of Oudie and Dell Streak 5" in direct
> > > > sunlight:
>
> > > > *http://max.kellermann.name/download/xcsoar/screenshots/oudie_vs_strea...
>
> > > Thanks I've been looking at the Oudie too, have not purchased yet.
> > > Interesting from a side view, what about head on direct? It looked
> > > like a plastic overlay on the Oudie, or standard view from the side of
> > > old tv LCD screens.
> > > The Dell is shiny glass, I have problems with that (reflections) and
> > > direct sunlight on the iPad.
>
> > > How do they both fare with sunglasses or polarized lenses?
>
> > > T
>
> > T,
>
> > Can not compare the Streak to the Oudie, but...
>
> > I have a Streak and it is quite good with polarized lenses when used
> > in portrait mode. In landscape mode the screen is not very visable.
>
> > The reflection issue with the Gorilla Glass on the Streak is really
> > not much of a problem or issue, as the Streak is fairly bright. *A
> > slight angle change removes any reflection problem.
>
> > Another nice feature of the Streak is that it can be used for 5-6
> > hours without an external battery. Using XCSoar on the Streak is a
> > very good 'Tactical Soaring' program/device solution. And, if you
> > connect a Nano via Bluetooth, you have an excellent combination for
> > badges, contests and records, for a very reasonable price.
>
> > Good luck,
>
> > Mike
>
> > Mike
>
> How do you get a secure igc out of the XcSoar?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

For badge flights I get a secure log from the Nano. If nothing has
changed recently, XCSoar is on the OLC approved software list.

I ordered one of these:

http://www.amazon.com/GlareStomper-316-Shade-Visor-Units/dp/B000AUIM9G/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1309913450&sr=8-2

to put on my Oudie and test the next time I fly. Don't know if it will work or not, but it was relatively cheap (at least compared to most stuff construed as "aviation-related"!), easy to install, and will be easy to take off if it doesn't.

AND...it will work on the Garmin I have in the car if all else fails.

If the link doesn't work, just search for "Glare Stomper" on Amazon.

Rob S.
ZAP

YMMV but those sorts of covers tend not to work great on the
transflective displays used typical consume PDAs/PNAs (e.g ones
without very bright backlights) which still need the gathered light to
work. I've tried similar hoods on several iPAQ PDAs and PNAs and gave
up.

Darryl

On Jul 5, 6:02*pm, RAS56 > wrote:
> I ordered one of these:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/65x6hrk
>
> to put on my Oudie and test the next time I fly. Don't know if it will
> work or not, but it was relatively cheap (at least compared to most
> stuff construed as "aviation-related"!), easy to install, and will be
> easy to take off if it doesn't.
>
> AND...it will work on the Garmin I have in the car if all else fails.
>
> If the link doesn't work, just search for "Glare Stomper" on Amazon.
>
> Rob S.
> ZAP
>
> --
> RAS56

Hi Rob,

I look forward to hearing how it works for you.

Note that the Oudie has a 5" screen and the unit in the link is for a 4.3"
screen. But it looks like it simply Velcros around the unit and may work
fine.

Best Regards,

Paul Remde

"RAS56" > wrote in message
...
>
> I ordered one of these:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/65x6hrk
>
> to put on my Oudie and test the next time I fly. Don't know if it will
> work or not, but it was relatively cheap (at least compared to most
> stuff construed as "aviation-related"!), easy to install, and will be
> easy to take off if it doesn't.
>
> AND...it will work on the Garmin I have in the car if all else fails.
>
> If the link doesn't work, just search for "Glare Stomper" on Amazon.
>
> Rob S.
> ZAP
>
>
>
>
> --
> RAS56

Hi Paul,

Actually, what I ordered was the "316" version of the item, not the "320" which is for the 4.3" screens. The smaller 316's measurements looked to fit better with the setup I have with my nav system.

Since most Oudie's are oriented with the longest side "North-South" and most car GPS's are oriented "East-West", it took a little test-fitting to get it to what looks like it will work best.

The shade comes with a separate piece of velcro tape, which I cut in varying lengths and applied to the Oudie's exterior making sure not to block the indents where the panel mount fits. Installation was a piece of cake and putting the shade on only involves unfolding it and sticking it to the velcro on the Oudie.

So far, standing in the Texas sun here at the house, it appears like it might work...but how/if it works in the cockpit or if it turns out to be just a distraction or block my view while flying will be the test that tells the tale.

Take care,

Rob S.
ZAP

On Jul 6, 1:21*pm, RAS56 > wrote:
> Hi Paul,
>
> Actually, what I ordered was the "316" version of the item, not the
> "320" which is for the 4.3" screens. The smaller 316's measurements
> looked to fit better with the setup I have with my nav system.
>
> Since most Oudie's are oriented with the longest side "North-South" and
> most car GPS's are oriented "East-West", it took a little test-fitting
> to get it to what looks like it will work best.
>
> The shade comes with a separate piece of velcro tape, which I cut in
> varying lengths and applied to the Oudie's exterior making sure not to
> block the indents where the panel mount fits. Installation was a piece
> of cake and putting the shade on only involves unfolding it and sticking
> it to the velcro on the Oudie.
>
> So far, standing in the Texas sun here at the house, it appears like it
> might work...but how/if it works in the cockpit or if it turns out to be
> just a distraction or block my view while flying will be the test that
> tells the tale.
>
> Take care,
>
> Rob S.
> ZAP
>
> --
> RAS56

A business size envelope, bent, and a couple of pieces of scotch tape
works well too.